what about sound...

[rollemfilm]

chris, many of your questions can be answered at this web page: members.aol.com/fmgp. otherwise, get a copy of this book: the filmmakers hanbook a comprehensive guide for the digital age, published by plume. i shoot docs. that's all i do. for silent slating i use a blooper.

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[c_77]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MovieStuff:

What kind of camera do you have?

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Hi Roger,
Wow, that's pretty neat! I will probably be using my Canon 814E. Two questions, what type of software, etc. do I need? Is there a minidisc recorder that you know of that has a microphone jack?
Thanx-Chris

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[MovieStuff]

c_77

No software is needed. It would be a solid state device. I used to have a Canon 1014 but I am not that familiar with your camera. Does your camera have a simple remote socket where you plug in a mini plug and make a connection to start or stop your camera? I can make a motor detection circuit that will sense when the camera is running, but using the camera's built in remote would be cheaper and easier. Let me know what you have and I'll research some of the options on the Minidisk scene, though this would work just as easily with a good professional cassette recorder. I know some disagree, but I use a Marantz stereo cassette recorder out in the field for double system sound via wild synch and I have no problems synching it on the computer. As long as I use fresh batteries, I have no problem. So you might consider that as a option as they are cheap and plentiful if the minidisk turns out to be beyond your budget, for what ever reason.

Ah! I just checked out your camera at
http://www.mondofoto.com/encyclopedia/

I thought it was just like mine only with a shorter zoom and I am correct. It should have a remote socket that will make all this much easier.

Roger

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[c_77]

Hi Roger,
I just got this camera not long ago, but I think there might be something wrong with the remote socket, or the remote controller. When I plug in and try the switch, nothing happens...There is a certain order that you have to follow and I'll double check, but I even disassembled the controller to see if it uses a battery and no luck. I'll let you know after I try it all out again.
Thanx-Chris

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[redrice]

roger:

this is VERY interesting! i have a canon 1014, and a nizo 800, and would love to have some way to synch one or other to my sharp MD recorded.

please post more as and when you progress with the idea...

best,

peter

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[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by redrice:
roger:

this is VERY interesting! i have a canon 1014, and a nizo 800, and would love to have some way to synch one or other to my sharp MD recorded.

please post more as and when you progress with the idea...

best,

peter
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Will do. For the record (no pun intended) this unit would not synch anything. It would merely put reference tones automatically at the beginning and ending of audio clips that signify where the camera started and stopped. It would still be up to the user to strech or shrink the audio on the timeline of the computer to synch it up. This allows the shooting process to be automatic and not wasted film for slating purposes. What model recorder do you have?

Roger

[Scottness]

There's some good info on sound synching methods here: http://www.mango-a-gogo.com/inmyimag...ink.htm#martin


Scot M

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[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex:
No response was generated from Matts suggestion of using a video camera for audio purposes. The video camera for audio purposes is a win win situation. You get visual reference to your takes and high quality audio...you might even get funny behind the scenes moments between takes.
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Absolutely! I think that is the best way for recording audio when shooting film if you have a video camera with manual audio gain. (try finding that in home video equipment these days) However, the idea behind the synch unit is to simplify the process for the guy running around by himself trying to shoot synch sound. Recording sound on video is better, but not as convenient as it requires extra personel.

Roger

[rollemfilm]

just a moment. nobody has mentioned the visual slate. it's not enought to know when the camera starts. you need to match up an audio slate with a visual slate. a blooper is the silent way. but a basic clapper has worked well since the begining of sound film. plus, marking your slates with information about each shot is vital. try fishing around for the right audio clip when you have 3 or more takes. then, how many scenes do you need to sync with more than one take. even if you shoot doc's where there are no retakes, you'll have fun trying to organize this. plus the time you save editing with both a visual and audio slate is worth the $35-@50 you'll spend on a clapper or blooper.

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[mattias]

> it's not enought to know when the camera starts. you need to match up an audio slate with a visual slate.

i'd say it would be very evident on the film when the camera started. :-) assuming the camera runs at the correct speed immediately, this would be enough to achieve perfect sync, and even if the camera isn't up to speed until after a few frames, if you use the "strech sync method" this error will be spread across the entire take and won't have much impact.

/matt